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		<title>By: THE EMERGING CHURCH AGENDA AND DOUG PAGITT By Ken Silva on Dec 31, 2009 &#171; In the hedge with David J</title>
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		<dc:creator>THE EMERGING CHURCH AGENDA AND DOUG PAGITT By Ken Silva on Dec 31, 2009 &#171; In the hedge with David J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 14:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I briefly introduced to you in Tony Jones And Courtney Perry Et Al. Yesterday in her post What do you do when a revolution isn’t sexy anymore? Shroyer is quite revealing re. the EC agenda as she writes: I stumbled into this conversation as an [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Danielle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danielle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 05:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bob,

Thanks for your comments.  When one attempts to reform an institution there is always going to be the critique of biting the hand that fed you.  However, I do not find this to be a substantial enough reason to cease needed reforms; if so, humanity would never make any progress whatsoever toward justice.  (Imagine American slaves not wanting to bite the hands of the masters that fed them, for one.)  I am not trying to equate slavery with our far more benevolent attempts at reform, but I do want to point out the problem with such a critique.  If applied universally, it would silence us all into an Orwellian world.

I also would say that your comments assume a strong delineation between an &quot;us&quot; and &quot;them&quot; that I don&#039;t believe exists.  Just because one may not attend the same denominational church of one&#039;s childhood does not mean one is now outside the Christian story.  We all share the same body, and the same proverbial hands.  We all are seeking to make the church more faithful.  If there is any call for reform, it is for edification and not teenage rebellious destruction.  As such, certainly we are ministering back to the Church that ministered us; this Church is one and the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bob,</p>
<p>Thanks for your comments.  When one attempts to reform an institution there is always going to be the critique of biting the hand that fed you.  However, I do not find this to be a substantial enough reason to cease needed reforms; if so, humanity would never make any progress whatsoever toward justice.  (Imagine American slaves not wanting to bite the hands of the masters that fed them, for one.)  I am not trying to equate slavery with our far more benevolent attempts at reform, but I do want to point out the problem with such a critique.  If applied universally, it would silence us all into an Orwellian world.</p>
<p>I also would say that your comments assume a strong delineation between an &#8220;us&#8221; and &#8220;them&#8221; that I don&#8217;t believe exists.  Just because one may not attend the same denominational church of one&#8217;s childhood does not mean one is now outside the Christian story.  We all share the same body, and the same proverbial hands.  We all are seeking to make the church more faithful.  If there is any call for reform, it is for edification and not teenage rebellious destruction.  As such, certainly we are ministering back to the Church that ministered us; this Church is one and the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Jonets</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Jonets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 06:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>something&#039;s wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>something&#8217;s wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Jonets</title>
		<link>http://danielleshroyer.com/2009/12/30/what-do-you-do-when-a-revolution-isnt-sexy-anymore/comment-page-1/#comment-284</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Jonets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 06:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s more to point out that your attitude is not correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s more to point out that your attitude is not correct.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Jonets</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Jonets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 06:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We have institutional structures that still desperately need reform.  (Just because the Archbishop likes us doesn’t mean we couldn’t say a few more words he needs to hear!)  We have theology that is broken and tired and unhelpful that desperately needs to be revisioned, rethought, reinvented.&quot;

The kind of institutional structures that you criticize, Danielle, are the ones that got you guys started.  It seems more that the rebellious teenager analogy shoe fits.  Your theology seems to allow you to knock hard the ones that ministered you your cohort the most.  Do you minister back to the church that ministered you into existence?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We have institutional structures that still desperately need reform.  (Just because the Archbishop likes us doesn’t mean we couldn’t say a few more words he needs to hear!)  We have theology that is broken and tired and unhelpful that desperately needs to be revisioned, rethought, reinvented.&#8221;</p>
<p>The kind of institutional structures that you criticize, Danielle, are the ones that got you guys started.  It seems more that the rebellious teenager analogy shoe fits.  Your theology seems to allow you to knock hard the ones that ministered you your cohort the most.  Do you minister back to the church that ministered you into existence?</p>
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		<title>By: The State Of Emergence 2010</title>
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		<dc:creator>The State Of Emergence 2010</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] sense of movement. That sense of thrill was documented in Danielle Shroyer’s recent post, “What do you do when a revolution isn’t sexy anymore?“  Danielle said: “I stumbled into this conversation as an eighteen year old college freshman [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] sense of movement. That sense of thrill was documented in Danielle Shroyer’s recent post, “What do you do when a revolution isn’t sexy anymore?“  Danielle said: “I stumbled into this conversation as an eighteen year old college freshman [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Hitting The Wall With Emergence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hitting The Wall With Emergence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] some tension.  The original post, I think began with Tall Skinny Kiwi, with a great response by Danielle Shroyer. But then Jeremy Bouma responded with his Goodbye Emergent Post. Jeremy’s response caused quite a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] some tension.  The original post, I think began with Tall Skinny Kiwi, with a great response by Danielle Shroyer. But then Jeremy Bouma responded with his Goodbye Emergent Post. Jeremy’s response caused quite a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Some Initial Thoughts &#171; i&#39;mnoticharus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Some Initial Thoughts &#171; i&#39;mnoticharus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 23:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] some initial thoughts that I hope will eventually become a full blog post. They come in response to this article on the emergent church. Jeanine, her sister, and I have all posted there. Here are some of my [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] some initial thoughts that I hope will eventually become a full blog post. They come in response to this article on the emergent church. Jeanine, her sister, and I have all posted there. Here are some of my [...]</p>
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		<title>By: randy buist</title>
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		<dc:creator>randy buist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for these thoughts Danielle!  Know you are appreciated from afar today!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for these thoughts Danielle!  Know you are appreciated from afar today!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Danielle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danielle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg:  I think it may be true that for some people, direction is not as important as movement.  That is to say, as long as one is moving and feeling like one is doing the newest thing, the particular direction does not necessarily matter.  In those cases, you may be right that stagnation is used simply as distraction from what really matters.  However, I don&#039;t believe this to be true of EV in general.  (And again, I speak of EV since it is where I have lived, though I hardly feel I speak for EV as a whole.)  In my estimation, the reaction to TSK&#039;s post was more about declaring something &quot;dead&quot; that others see is still deeply full of life- and also still very important to them.  Perhaps, too, it was a refusal to leave this work unfinished.  Most of us feel that there is much left to be done, many conversations that still need to be had.  We want to keep walking in the right direction.

All1:  Thanks for your comment!  If I may, I would disagree that the emerging church movement is dominated by white Western males.  I do hear that critique a lot, and certainly there are reasons that concern continually pops up.  However, I do not think it categorizes the whole of the movement, where people across the globe are experiencing this deep shift.  Many of us in the US who are women and minorities have been around just as long; though people might have to search a little more to find us (and make a choice not simply to stop at the white males &quot;in the front.&quot;)  Especially at this point in the conversation, I&#039;d argue it&#039;s just as easy to find a non-male (if not non-white) voice.

Secondly, there is a great amount of action going on, but again, you do have to search to find it.  Most of these communities are living quietly and going about the un-flashy work of justice and peace.  (I&#039;m posting today about a conference coming up in Arkansas, which is a great example of how many people &quot;off the radar&quot; are doing honorable things.)  I absolutely agree that this is where the future of our movement lies- in the daily practice, in looking squarely at our religious institutions and critiquing them prophetically, in becoming the kind of people who recognize God in the coughs and giggles and tears and joys of those around us (as you so beautifully put it).  I&#039;m thankful for all the work that you are doing to live that kind of life!  Peace to you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg:  I think it may be true that for some people, direction is not as important as movement.  That is to say, as long as one is moving and feeling like one is doing the newest thing, the particular direction does not necessarily matter.  In those cases, you may be right that stagnation is used simply as distraction from what really matters.  However, I don&#8217;t believe this to be true of EV in general.  (And again, I speak of EV since it is where I have lived, though I hardly feel I speak for EV as a whole.)  In my estimation, the reaction to TSK&#8217;s post was more about declaring something &#8220;dead&#8221; that others see is still deeply full of life- and also still very important to them.  Perhaps, too, it was a refusal to leave this work unfinished.  Most of us feel that there is much left to be done, many conversations that still need to be had.  We want to keep walking in the right direction.</p>
<p>All1:  Thanks for your comment!  If I may, I would disagree that the emerging church movement is dominated by white Western males.  I do hear that critique a lot, and certainly there are reasons that concern continually pops up.  However, I do not think it categorizes the whole of the movement, where people across the globe are experiencing this deep shift.  Many of us in the US who are women and minorities have been around just as long; though people might have to search a little more to find us (and make a choice not simply to stop at the white males &#8220;in the front.&#8221;)  Especially at this point in the conversation, I&#8217;d argue it&#8217;s just as easy to find a non-male (if not non-white) voice.</p>
<p>Secondly, there is a great amount of action going on, but again, you do have to search to find it.  Most of these communities are living quietly and going about the un-flashy work of justice and peace.  (I&#8217;m posting today about a conference coming up in Arkansas, which is a great example of how many people &#8220;off the radar&#8221; are doing honorable things.)  I absolutely agree that this is where the future of our movement lies- in the daily practice, in looking squarely at our religious institutions and critiquing them prophetically, in becoming the kind of people who recognize God in the coughs and giggles and tears and joys of those around us (as you so beautifully put it).  I&#8217;m thankful for all the work that you are doing to live that kind of life!  Peace to you!</p>
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